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Friday, April 3, 2009

Group Think

There's a really good debate going on at Oklahoma Preppers about governing within survival groups, and what kind of people will hope to become part of a group. Lots of food for thought and here is some of my thinking on the subject and a request for others' thoughts on this important topic.
One aspect of prepping is the 'common group-think' that is certainly going to arise when people form survival groups, communes, or whatever. Each of these groups will need some form of leadership, whether it be parental as in a family unit, a mayor as in a community, or a chieftain as in tribal units. In selecting the people to join 'our' group, we will invariably select people who think much as we do and there-in is the group-think dilemma.
Leadership of each group will have different ideas of what makes a community, how it should be legislated or ruled. IMO, since many do not read the Constitution as it is written, let alone believe it, nor does everyone believe in the God of the Bible as being the Ultimate Authority in all situations, there will be many ideas of government. Socialism, as in the old hippy days communes, is going to become prevalent in many of the groups. Democracy will dominate some groups. Some groups will form as Muslim under Shariah Law. Some will form under pre-Saul Biblical tribes with a single leader and legal system. Sad to say, whatever the idea, there will be some who agree with it and will gather under that flag. Not all will have "American Constitutional" goals or desires.
My opinion is that the family structure group will be the most harmonious- at least until the kids decide to rebel (as they invariably do). Still, thought patterns will be common even with the kids and they just may "want their own room" rather than to leave the "tribe". In that case, the group will grow into a tribe. What form of government these tribes utilize will probably be consistent throughout the various family groups, which is a good thing. Of course, strangers who come into this type of group will, hopefully, agree to the current form of rule, especially new-found 'mates' even from other/outside units will agree to local rule and custom.
It's when groups of tribes form within geographical areas the problems arise: which form of government do they choose? Now we get statesmen/women who need selection from the various tribes and negotiate between tribes and resulting in some form of government entity. And we're right back to where we started: forming constitutions/laws for the better of all parties. Without rules, there could be no barter/trade between rival groups, for sure: who will decide disputes that invariably arise? Which tribe has the final say? Will outside groups concur? Hello politicians!
But what happens when one of these tribal units is a Christ believing unit and the others are atheistic/agnostic/pantheistic/Shariah, etc? Which side gets the largest share of control?
Or what if one group is socialist in its beliefs: share and share alike regardless how hard one person works compared to the next?
How we choose who will define our survival communities is going to entail more than "just accepting requests" from people who learn about our goals. Knowing their beliefs will be paramount, their willingness to follow the ruling of the group leader, whether it be an elder "prepper parent", a group minister (and he'd better be walking in the Spirit of God and not the flesh), or even one "elected" leader from those forming the group. Just what are the requirements each new member is to bring to the table?
What say you on this gestalt dilemma?
Prep on-


  1. Very good post shy...I would like to make this point: Having a Constitutional Republic will provide the most freedoms possible for all groups involved. A Constitutional Republic will allow a socialist commune to exist. A Communist nation will not allow a group to exist that believes in a constitutional republic. A Constitutional Republic will allow a group that believes in Sharia Law to exist as long as they don't violate guaranteed rights of individuals, however those individuals can voluntarily submit to Sharia Law and the Republic will allow it. A Constitutional Republic will allow a Christian community to exist. A nation under Sharia Law will either persecute them or force them to pay a Jizya (tax for nom-muslims) A Constitutional Republic will allow Anarchist people to protest and form their own communities so long as they follow the law and do not violate the rights of others. An Anarchist nation will ultimately fall to Warlords, Druglords and dictators and take everyone's freedom away. When SHTF small communities may choose to be whatever they wish. But no place on earth will ever be 100% free, however a Constitutional Republic based on rule of law will provide the most freedom possible, which is why I support it and why I hope that when and if there is a revolution that we bring the Republic back to more in line with what our founding fathers intended.

  2. Excellent post Shy! and between you and AP already covering any of the points i would have raised - i will leave it at that!

  3. Hmm lots to ponder. I believe that this is the dynamic that is what countries have already formed world wide. Our micro communities will face the same things that you list.

  4. Great post Shy. While I mostly agree with AP, I do think it will probably start in the beginning along the lines of the old family units. The ones with a patriarch figure who decides most issues for/in the best interest of everyone involved. This then will evolve in to something else with more people and areas involved. If there is a revolution it most likely be to re-establish a Republic form of government. Just my .02 and you can spend it anyway you want.

  5. WOW SHY great post and I think that between You AP and nitewalker you have covered all the basis the only thing I would add is we all need to remember the Constitution for what it WAS MEANT to be and incorporate it into the plan whichever way it goes. Without the constitution as our forefathers meant for it to be we will never re-establish a working form of rule that allows individual rights of everyone

  6. I am all for the constitutional republic after TSHTF and we may be able to rebuild this country. Until then, in small group settings, as we will most likely have, the group leadership should be divided up between several people that have the most experience - they should lead in area they are comfortable and well versed in i.e. - someone who has gardened for years should be in charge of gardening and someone who knows military should be in charge of security etc etc. Most people stuck together in the coming months will be of like minds - for example - we are christians and believe in a constitutional republic. IDK - I must be rambling again eh?

    I am hopeful that if we are able to start over then we will bring the constitution back as it was intended so that there is fairness and morality at the core once again.


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